Re: (pacsec bonus) Re: VMWare Detection?

[Lance Spitzner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]

Lots of great discussions and tools demonstrated on detecting the use 
of VMware.  Some pondering, if I may.

- In reference to honeypots, is the detection of VMware a bad thing?  
Okay, the attacker gains access and identifies the system is using  
VMware.  Lots of legitimate organizations use VMware, the economics of 
virtualization can be a big motivator.  In fact, this will potentially 
grow.  So, I would contend that the detection of VMware does not 
automatically mean honeypot.

- If an attacker does detect VMware, and assume its a honeypot and 
leaves the system, does this mean that VMware is  potentially more 
secure for production systems?

- If attackers or automated threats do begin running automated 
detection mechanisms for VMware, would it not then be possible to put 
those very same signatures into legitimate systems, so threats now 
avoid them?

I'm not attempting to downplay the detection issue, but just some 
random thoughts.

lance

On Nov 16, 2004, at 16:35, Kurt Seifried wrote:

> Computer BIOS
> One way to identify VMware systems is by their BIOS, there are a 
> number of free windows utilities that can query the BIOS for 
> information and even extract a copy of the BIOS from the VMware 
> system. The good news is that from within Windows NT/2000 you cannot 
> easily access the BIOS and send commands as direct access to the 
> hardware is blocked. You can however easily query the BIOS for 
> information from within the guest operating system you will be given 
> the following information: