Re: (pacsec bonus) Re: VMWare Detection?

[MrDemeanour <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]

Lance Spitzner wrote:
> Lots of great discussions and tools demonstrated on detecting the use
>  of VMware.  Some pondering, if I may.
>
> - In reference to honeypots, is the detection of VMware a bad thing? 
> Okay, the attacker gains access and identifies the system is using 
> VMware.  Lots of legitimate organizations use VMware, the economics 
> of virtualization can be a big motivator.  In fact, this will 
> potentially grow.  So, I would contend that the detection of VMware 
> does not automatically mean honeypot.

Indeed. My employer is a software manufacturer; our sales teams use
VMWare extensively.

* Snapshot facility allows them instantly to restore a demo system to a
  known state.

* Demos of pre-release product can be configured once and distributed to
  the field as a working system that will work on any VMWare-equipped
  notebook.

* Notebooks used for demos can also be used for production work
  (business email, document preparation etc.) without risking
  de-stabilising the demo system, by switching to a production
  partition.

* Our software is server software. If it is necessary to demonstrate the
  software as distinct client and server systems, this can be done on a
  single notebook computer.

I'm also informed that VMWare does a *much* better job of memory
management than Windows does. If you are running a large Java VM,
consuming (say) half a gig of memory, as well as a RDBMS and other
special services, it is apparently advantageous to use VMWare to divide
the system in two. I haven't tried this, so I don't know what
partitioning scheme works best.

VMWare wasn't invented for honeypot operators. On the contrary, I'd
expect honeypot operators to be very much in the minority of VMWare users.
> - If an attacker does detect VMware, and assume its a honeypot and 
> leaves the system, does this mean that VMware is  potentially more 
> secure for production systems?

I'd say that *potentially* VMWare is more secure anyway, if for no
other reason than the fact that it can be instantly restored to a known
configuration.

--
Jack.